We Need To Talk About Kevin by Lionel Shriver. Will contain spoilers.

  1. I intend this book to be a discussion on the entire book including plot twists and the ending which might wreck it for someone who hasn't read the book yet. If you haven't read it, be warned! Actually, if you haven't read it, please do so ASAP- it's worth it!

    Have to say, this is one of my all-time favourites and is the only book of the hundreds on my shelves that I've never, ever loaned out to anybody. My copy is much-thumbed and very much loved. I first read it about three years ago and have re-read various bits (normally the ending) quite frequently since.

    When discussing this book with people, there are very mixed reactions. The general concensus seems to be that Shriver's style is very wordy (have to agree when it comes to Kevin but the rest of her work isn't to the same extent) and the first third of the book is quite slow going. I agree with this too but really found it worth sticking with.

    I love Eva's honesty. I'm sure many women have found it difficult to make the decision on whether or not to have a child when they have a fulfilling life in all other aspects and I found it refreshing that it didn't turn into a typical "I was a career woman who didn't want to have kids but I did and being a mother is the best thing that ever happened to me so I gave up my multi-million dollar job and now happily finger paint all day and isn't my son just a prince?!".

    I love the style of the story- the conflicts between Eva and Franklin. Kevin's relationship with his mother, sister and peers; how he acts in front of his dad and teachers. Mainly, how Kevin's influence leads to the breakdown of what was a great marriage.

    The books leaves us with a lot of questions- was Kevin a monster or did Eva's indifference to motherhood make him that way? Nature or nuture?

    The ending totally surprised me. That was a surprise in itself as I'm quite a cynical reader and am always looking for the twist but the honest style of the book didn't allow for much of a stab at mystery. Celia's demise was gruesome and shocking but made perfect sense; Kevin had historically destroyed everything Eva loved (like her map wallpaper) so why not detroy the two people she loved the most and just leave her with one she hated but who depended on her? The genius of evil.

    Anyway, I could talk about this book all day and loved it. So, please, give me your thoughts on it; loved it? Hated it? Dropped it a hundred pages in?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. This is a great book for discussion. I was so surprised so many people loved it. I read it and found it interesting, but I'd never before read a book where I disliked the narrator so much. I felt like Eva didn't take any responsibility throughout the whole book, and the idea that her son was born evil really hit a nerve with me.

    I thought it was too extreme, focusing on how only a really warped child could commit such a henus crime, but I think it missed a great book opportunity as I think the interesting aspect would've been if there had been some stability in Kevin's life.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. I agree with Eileen, i truly disliked the narrator (though this is not the only book where i've felt that!). It was difficult to have any sympathy for her as she was so, so, self absorbed, and her problems with Kevin seemed to stem from how it all affected her. That said, i thought the mother was a very realistic character as Carizza said, she had a fulfilling life, and chose to have children against her natural reaction, so to speak. Was it her selfishness that made Kevin evil? We'll never know....!

    And the letter format did make it compelling, and in some ways more interesting, because it didn't give you all the answers, you just got the story from her perspective, but as Eileen said, some of the other characters were a bit scanty, and could've done with fleshing out, particularly Celia and Franlin, who are nearly Dickensian in their one dimensional angelic portrayals.

    I have some friends who loved it, and some who hated it. Some people feel it's a very 'populist' thing to write about, but i felt the school shooting was really not the core of the book in many ways, and it wasn't sensationalised really, which is unfortunate as i know people who also hear what it's about and are totally turned off and just don't want to read it. Shame!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. Im attempting to read this book at the moment and I'm really struggling with it. I just can't get into the swing of it. I've heard so many people say that it's a great book which is why I am sticking with it. Think I need a few hours where I can sit down and make a fair whack at it really. I haven't read any of the posts above because I don't want to ruin the book for myself.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. I think this is a great book and yes at times I disliked Eva. It wasn't until I got to the end that her selfabsorption made sense. I found her intensely human, warts and all and this book really made for a lot of discussion in our house.

    I felt the ending didn't match with the picture of Kevin that was developed throughout the book. Initially I thought it a bad ending but it was really this part of the book that caused me to rethink all I had read. Repeatedly the narrator points out that she is only telling her side of the story and that her perspective may be coloured. Considering how the final visit to Kevin went, to me this one sided account is the most likely scenario. I don't think this book was ever intended as an insight into what made Kevin do what he did. To me this was more a story of an independent woman's development as a wife and mother followed by a deterioration into a victim of her circumstance - a Sophie's choice.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. I loved the book particularly the ending even though I'd guessed half of the ending - his sister but the husband was a great twist.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. It's a while since I read this book, and have to admit that I forget the finer points, but I would put it up there amongst the best books I've read. I wouldn't choose to read it again, as I did find aspects of it disturbing, i.e., 'could this happen to anyone?' but am very glad to have done so once.

    Find it hard to say what I found so compelling about it as it is not the type of book that I would normally find appealing. I think it was in part due to the fact that it was intriguing to read of the nature of the relationships that existed, to be allowed become privvy to family scenarios that led to the climax at the end, to have empathy for all the characters for different reasons.

    I know that many say the murders weren't the central point of the book, but it was enough to totally send shivers up and down my spine. I've strong opinions as regard school systems being in 'loco-parentis', and to read of how the events in the gym unfolded with relevant ease for Kevin, is scary. Outside of the 'Eva's family story-line' I suppose that was one of the things that still has me thinking about that book, how could this atrosity happen to all those children in school on a regular day?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. Ages since I read it, but definitely remember liking it.
    Narrator is a very interestingly ambiguous character, it was hard to work out how much you liked her or accepted her version of events, and a great twist at the end which I didn't really see coming.
    I remember thinking when I first heard about those school killings that it would make a really interesting book (a rather cold view, but I was very far away from it) and telling it from the mother perspective was an interesting apporach.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. I finally finished this book! Was a very tough read but i was reading it at the same time as a friend and we discussed it as we read along and encouraged each other to finish it. If this hadn't been the case I think I would have abandoned it. I'm glad I finished it though but I was screaming at the dad the whole time I was reading it. He really frustrated me.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. Wow Cecilwinthorpe, I was the exact opposite, internally screaming at the Mum. I found her close to unbearable.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. I don't know maybe its cause Ive worked with so many different children over the last few years and had to deal with so many parents that I found him so frustrating. It's really hard when a parent won't accept that there's something wrong with their child and I find it so annoying when parents deny any problems with their "perfect angel". I felt at least the mum acknowledged that Kevin wasn't like you're average child.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. I tackled this book a while back. Initially I found it a difficult read for some reason but once I got into it I couldn't put it down. I was so amazed at how I was captured into the narrator life, she had a way with words that wouldn't leave you go, even thought the content was so disturbing. there were times when I was so fustrated with both parents for different reasons. This book is simply one of the finest books I have ever had the pleasure of heading.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. I have just finished reading this book. My thought all the way through was that it should have been titled 'We need to talk about EVA!'. Very disturbing scenario.The book was very interestingly constructed in the sense that we only got Eva's side of the story.Definately leaves a chill!

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. Loved this book although I read it ages ago. I even bought it for my social worker sister as I knew she'd love it. I too hated the dad. He just didn't do the job properly.
    I was pregnant with my twin daughters when I read this & it scared me...a lot. It did seem like the child was born "different".
    The ending upset & disturbed me as the daughter was such an innocent :/

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. It was by chance that this book arrived in my house. It was recommended to my hubby. Normally this topic would not interest me in the slightest. So glad I stepped out of my comfort zone and read the book.

    Once I entered Eva's world I felt compelled to accompany her through the pre and post catastrophe memories. It was good to enter into this horror through first hand experiences of a parent. I liked that the author broached taboo topics such as 'the lack of a heterosexual woman's desire to have a baby, ever' and 'whether a child can be evil from the get go'.

    Kevin's fixation on his mother was strange. As for the father he was an insipid, spineless, deluded man. So was it nature or nuture? For a finish I concluded it was a combination of both.

    Posted 2 years ago #
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